tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post5050919328354130917..comments2024-01-30T02:37:28.387-06:00Comments on Notes from a Jewish Thoreau: Kim Davis and Religious freedom: A Jewish PerspectiveYonassan Gershomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07918610823274529036noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-39991205488705100622015-10-07T13:01:50.316-05:002015-10-07T13:01:50.316-05:00BTW to others here: "Davis" in my last c...BTW to others here: "Davis" in my last comment above referss to Karen David the animal rights activist, not the Kim Davis this article is about. Sorry for the confusion.Yonassan Gershomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07918610823274529036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-51633514282277672742015-10-01T10:18:09.416-05:002015-10-01T10:18:09.416-05:00I understand.I understand.Jeff Eygeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967707883565162538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-61826633756970063082015-10-01T10:07:02.209-05:002015-10-01T10:07:02.209-05:00It's not so much the MOTIVES of Davis & th...It's not so much the MOTIVES of Davis & the animal rights people (AR) that bother me as their narrow-mindedness about using anything that is not 100% according to their own vegan dogmas. As expected, Davis won't use or even refer to my new book because, among other things, in one small part of the chapter on re-connecting with nature, I was positive about visiting the zoo. A big AR no-no, you are supposed to condemn all zoos across the board, and hate ANYTHING that uses animals for anything, period. Very "four legs good, two legs bad" thinking with absolutely no grey areas. Frankly, the AR people are now just as dogmatic and narrow as the branches of Orthodoxy you condemn. In fact, I find it EASIER to dialogue with Haredim on the kapporos issue that with the AR folks, which is why I went my own way on this. Sigh.Yonassan Gershomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07918610823274529036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-62281075973773109792015-09-22T13:50:14.691-05:002015-09-22T13:50:14.691-05:00I understand. I'm just so disgusted by their h...I understand. I'm just so disgusted by their hijacking of Orthodoxy (as you and Dr. Schwartz well understand) and their stranglehold on much of Israeli society, that I don't care at this point if the animal rights people's motives aren't the correct ones.Jeff Eygeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967707883565162538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-46921066609776294502015-09-21T21:14:58.396-05:002015-09-21T21:14:58.396-05:00Cipher:
I'm caught in the middle of the kappor...Cipher:<br />I'm caught in the middle of the kapporos issue (off topic in this thread but what the heck). I wanted the lawsuit to succeed but I'm so pissed at the way Karen D. & her Alliance approaches it that I almost rejoiced when it failed. I am now fed up with the whole movement.Yonassan Gershomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07918610823274529036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-76794938437816605122015-09-16T10:59:17.041-05:002015-09-16T10:59:17.041-05:00From what I've read and seen about this case, ...<i>From what I've read and seen about this case, she is newly religious (and such people are often fanatics at first, regardless of denomination) and maybe not very knowledgeable in her faith yet.</i><br /><br />It wouldn't matter if she'd been "saved" for a long time. It's the nature of that personality. There are people who've been frum for many years, and they're just as fanatical now as they were when they first got into it.<br /><br />Just saw your comment about kapparot on Failed Messiah. I have mixed feelings about the way to approach it, but I don't really disagree with you. In any case, if you peruse those comment threads, you'll see the Haredi commenters are tripping over one another in their eagerness to gloat. In addition to the kapparot case, NYC has backed down on the metzitzah b'peh issue, the Satmars in upstate NY appear to be gaining ground in their attempts to expand and take over the next town... they're on a winning streak and they just can't over themselves. They take it as validation of their belief system. <br /><br />Meanwhile, I've been asking them for years why they even bother with a site they consider to be an abomination, and I've never once received a straight answer. Most of the time, they don't bother answering at all. They and their evangelical counterparts are the least self-aware people on the planet.<br /><br />Honestly Rabbi, if they speak for God, I'd rather just go to Gehinnom. At least there won't be any frum people or evangelicals there.Jeff Eygeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967707883565162538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-74718024392933237032015-09-16T10:35:26.640-05:002015-09-16T10:35:26.640-05:00Jackie: We would all be much better off if we left...Jackie: We would all be much better off if we left judgement to God. From what I've read and seen about this case, she is newly religious (and such people are often fanatics at first, regardless of denomination) and maybe not very knowledgeable in her faith yet. She somehow thinks God will condemn HER for issuing a license she does not agree with. Heck, I'm a vegetarian but when I worked in a store that sold hunting licenses, I sold them because that was my job. It did not mean I was going to hunt. If we all start refusing to sell things we don't agree with, where would it end?Yonassan Gershomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07918610823274529036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1653992368546779574.post-77433333835649913442015-09-10T17:23:06.385-05:002015-09-10T17:23:06.385-05:00As a Christian you are to obey the law of the land...As a Christian you are to obey the law of the land as well. So I am not sure why she is acting this way. I know she is obviously against the law that was created but, it is not her place to judge. That is God's place.<br /><br />Really enjoyed this post. I am looking forward to reading more.Bless with a Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05266518713545974627noreply@blogger.com